[r-t] Method help

[Glenn Taylor]

Alan's comp below is true to all cps methods with bcfXZ falseness.


Glenn



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From: ringing-theory [mailto:ringing-theory-bounces at bellringers.net] On
Behalf Of Alan Reading
Sent: 11 April 2013 21:57
To: ringing-theory at bellringers.net
Subject: Re: [r-t] Method help

Alistair here is an arrangement that is true to methods with just cX
falseness. E.g Air Surprise Major. I'm sure Glen or somebody can provide
information on any other FCH groups it is also guaranteed to be true to.

5376 Group B Treble Dodging Major
V  B  M  W  F  I  H 23456
   -                35264
      -             25463
s     3     s       34625
         3     - ss 423756
-        -        3 243657

2 part.





On 11 April 2013 19:09, Alan Reading <alan.reading at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I would advise you to look at is the parity of the various courses you
> ring.
> There is no reason why a composition with that sort of music couldn't be
> true to a method with just c falseness but the problem is the parity of
the
> split tenors sections. For example the in-course 7856 courses are false
> with the 7586 courses by c. But out of course 7856 courses (or in course
> 8765 courses) would be fine. You can easily achieve this by changing the
> VMMMF section to sVMMMsF. Unfortunately there is still another problem.
> The 7568 courses are false with the 7658 courses by c. You need to alter
> the parity (or the stroke) of one of these but not both. Obviously that
> means that a 2-part with 65 part end isn't going to be successful here.
You
> might be able to re-arrange the composition into a 1-part or 3-part so
> something like this happens though.
>
>
> On 11 April 2013 18:42, Alistair Cherry
<alistaircherry at googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your replies. Replacing the blocks of three with 2 singles
help
>> a lot (it's true to Yorkshire) but obviously you lose a third of the
>> music,
>> and most of the other runs which appeared by accident.
>>
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>> On 11 April 2013 18:23, Alan Reading <alan.reading at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It's certainly not true to methods with any of BDE a or c falseness.
>> That
>> > knocks out pretty much all the conventional place notional starts (3x,
>> x3,
>> > 36x, x36, 34x, x34, x56, 56x, 5x, x5) as all of them give one of these.
>> > It's just possible there is some method with a very bizzare start and
>> > an unusual combination of FCH's for which it is true but I suspect even
>> > that is unlikely.
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11 April 2013 18:04, Alistair Cherry <alistaircherry at googlemail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have produced the following peal composition for group B treble
>> dodging
>> > > major which ought to produce oodles of music in all of the back bell
>> > > combinations:
>> > >
>> > > 5376 Group B Treble Dodging Major (AJC No.70)
>> > >
>> > > V  B  M  W  F  I  H 23456
>> > >    -                35264
>> > > -     3     -       42635
>> > >          3     -  3 234756
>> > > -        -        3 324657
>> > >
>> > > 2 part.
>> > >
>> > > It's true to double bob so there's nothing intrinsically wrong with
>> the
>> > > composition, but it's false to every rung group B treble dodging
major
>> > > method I've tried. Can anyone point me in the direction of a method
>> that
>> > > works, or it there some reason that this isn't possible for a treble
>> > > dodging method?
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Alistair
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