[Bell Historians] thoughts on Angelus and Consecration bells

[mtchilds]

Anne,

no offence was taken, I just did not like the way you referred to 
our beliefs as a dark area of the church's past. The Anglo Catholic 
wing of the CofE is just as important as any other part, and whilst 
we may be seen as old fashioned and traditional we like to think 
that we are contributing to the growth of the Church as a whole.

The beauty of the CofE is that it encompasses so many varying areas 
of belief and liturgy, and I think that if we all treat each other 
with respect instead of arguing and citicising, this might be a 
small step towards healing the current wounds of the church.

Michael

PS David sorry for straying away from Bell History! 



--- In bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com, "Anne Willis" <zen16073 at z...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Childs [mailto:mtchilds at y...]
> Sent: 13 August 2004 13:38
> To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bell Historians] thoughts on Angelus and Consecration 
bells
> 
> 
> At my parish of St Hilda's in Leeds, the 3cwt Taylor
> bell is sounded 3 times at the consecration of the
> Bread and <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?
q=Wine&v=56">Wine</a> and for the Angelus at the end of mass.
> 
> At St Margarets in Ilkley a bell is sounded not at the
> consecration but 9 (3x3) times at the great doxology
> and Amen (through him, with him, in him etc)
> 
> And by the way Anne Willis, many of us in the Church
> of England believe in the sacramental presence of our
> Lord in the consecrated bread and <a 
href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=wine&v=56">wine</a>, and 
we
> certainly do not appreciate ignorant comments like
> yours. Far from being in the dark ages, receiving our
> Lord in Holy Communion is a very important to us Anglo
> Catholics and by receiving him we growth in strength
> to go forward.
> 
> We don't criticise other branches of religion, please
> refrain from criticising ours.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> I apologise if I have offended you, though I suspect you may have 
muddled my
> remarks with someone else. I certainly did not mean anything as a 
criticism.
> However the presence of Christ in the consecrated Bread and <a 
href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=Wine&v=56">Wine</a> is 
not a
> belief I share, probably as a result of having been brought up 
very 'low
> church'. I was very glad to find that passage by Aelfric, a very 
learned
> teacher in the Anglo-Saxon church (Swanton, Michael; Anglo-Saxon 
Prose,
> pp149-152). It reflects my beliefs, and I suspect those of a great 
many
> other <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?
q=people&v=56">people</a>. I take communion very much in the spirit 
of 'take, eat, do
> this in remembrance of me'
> 
> AW