[Bell Historians] Great Clacton

Sat Jan 3 23:19:26 GMT 2004

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Sorry about the treble error - yes of course it was WBF sixteen years after=
the five went back (JT) as a chime. However, JT & Co did quote for a trebl=
e in 1964, which is I suppose where I made the mistake.
Very good news about this church, let's hope the chime will one day ring ag=
ain as originally intended.
The same sort of thing happened about that time to West Mersea, not recorde=
d in the losses in Dove 8.

DLC

----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Sloman=20
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Clacton

The old five bells were unringable at the turn of the 20th Century, Alfre=
d Bowell reported that the third and tenor bells cracked in 1930. The bells=
were rehung for chiming in 1958 by Taylors and the two cracked bells recas=
t. Whitechapel added a new treble in 1974 but by 1986 the church was in poo=
r condition and was closed. By 1993 the tower roof leaked and the tower was=
home for a hundred pigeons.The whole installation has now been overhaulled=
and the pigeons excluded and all is in good order and there has been talk =
of hanging them for ringing again.
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DS
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Cawley=20
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com=20
Cc: alan at c... ; marjax @ btinternet.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Clacton

GREAT CLACTON BELLS

The chime of five is as follows:

Treble: John Taylor & Co., Loughborough, 1964
2nd: Thomas Gardiner, Sudbury, 1721
3rd: Thomas Gardiner 1721
4th: John Taylor & Co., 1958
5th: Miles Graye III, Colchester, 1649
Tenor: John Taylor & Co., 1958 8-cwt 2-qr 24-lb in G#

The previous 4th & tenor were by Thomas Gardiner and Miles Graye respec=
tively.
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The chiming cords should be attached at their top ends to trigger actio=
n clappers - i.e. to the lever eye adjacent to the clapper hinge.
The chiming cords should be attached at their bottom end to a chiming m=
anual supplied in 1958; the manual should have individual pawl and ratchet =
adjustment facilities to daw the cords into adjustment. The cords themselve=
s should have rubber handgrips.
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John Taylor & Co visited in 1957 and found the then ring of bells hangi=
ng in a derelict condition. Two (the present 4th & tenor) were cracked. The=
y advised recasting these and tuning the remainder; the canons to be retain=
ed on the surviving 17th & 18th century bells.

They then quoted for

A. Rehanging in a new frame, for full-circle ringing
B. Rehanging in the old frame, for swing-chiming=20
C. Rehanging the three sound bells only in a new frame with a foundatio=
n for six, for full-circle ringing
D. Rehanging on steel joists, for stationary chiming only.

In the end they went for the last scheme, i.e. the old frame was remove=
d, the two cracked bells recast, new stationary chiming fittings provided a=
nd new steelwork on which to hang the bells stationary.

The treble was added six years later.

In view of the long period which has elapsed during which they have bee=
n silent, it would be advisable for the parish to seek the advice of the Di=
ocesan Adviser, David Sloman: he will be able to suggest any remedial actio=
n if it is necessary.

Good news about Great Clacton church, in fact just right for the New Ye=
ar !

DLC

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Aidan C A Hopkins=20
To: change-ringers at b...=20
Cc: ringing-chat at b... ; bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 6:03 PM
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Clacton

On 30 Dec 2003 at 0:50, Alan Chantler wrote:
> This has arrived in my personal Inbox. I have already responded.
> Anyone else who wishes should respond to Jack off list.
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Jack Arr <marjax at b...>
> To: alan at c...=20
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:25 PM [badly formatted header]
> Subject: bell ringing
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> I have just come across your web site while looking for information=
on
> bell ringing and I wondered if you could possibly help me with a qu=
ery
> I have regarding the bells we ring.=20
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> Our church ( St. John the Baptist, Parish Church of Great Clacton)
> dates back to the 11th century. We have just completed a restorati=
on
> project after being closed for 16 years so we are now opened again =
for
> regular worship.
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> We have six bells in the tower which have also been repaired and
> restored but the unusual thing is - the ropes are attached to the
> clappers.=20=20
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> The actual bells are -
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> 1) A relatively new casting,possibly some time in the 1960s.
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> 2, 3 & 4) Cast in 1721 by Thomas Gardner of Sudbury. Their
> diameters are 26", 30",=20
> and 32" and weigh 41/2 cwt, 51/2 cwt and 6cwt respectively.
>=20
> 5 and 6)Cast in 1649 by Miles Gray of Colchester. Their diameters =
are
> 34" and 36" and weigh approx 7 1/2 cwt and 8 1/2 cwt respectively
>=20
> They do make a lovely sound and they can be managed by one person b=
ut
> would be pleased to know if you have come across this type of ringi=
ng
> before.=20
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> We would love to know more about it.

I presume from the description that the "repaired and restored" bells=
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are hung for "clocking", and that somebody - probably Alan - has=20
warned them of the risk of cracking. No doubt the "repairing and=20
restoring" was an amateur job (in terms of bell work knowledge).=20

Unless of course the terminology is wrong, and it is really an=20
Ellacombe chime's hammers that the ropes are attached to!

What I find surprising is that the original email implies that the=20
bells have been sitting there - perhaps since the 1960s or longer -=20
and yet they are not listed in Dove, and the tower is not affiliated=
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to the Essex Association.

I was rather hoping that somebody would make an on-list comment about=
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them, and this very unusual combination of circumstances.=20

I am copying this to r-c in case anybody only on that list has any=20
knowledge, AND to Bell Historians in view of the ages of the old=20
ones. It would be very interesting to hear them, particularly the old=
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ones.

I am convinced that somebody somewhere on these lists must have more=
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knowledge of the local situation.

Aidan

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