Leigh

Mon Dec 8 12:26:54 GMT 2008

1901 re-hang and retune. They came down quite a lot in pitch  - about 70 cents on average. Looking at the figures I think it is significant that the back 5 all have unison fundamentals. This tends to make the difference - i.e. two out of 3 octaves in tune. I'm therefore not surprised Sam thinks they are good, but it is the true harmonic content that makes them. 

Probably. 

I suspect the tower might be kind too.

Andrew Higson

Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd

The Bellfoundry

Freehold Street

Loughborough

LE11 1AR

Telephone: 01509 212241 Fax: 01509 263305 Registered in England No. 1352309

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From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Austin
Sent: 24 November 2008 13:03
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

I think this has varying degrees of success.

Some bells just wont go true harmonic and its best not to try. 

I wonder what Taylor's did at Leigh, Gtr Manchester. They were tuned at the last rehung by them and sound really good. Definitely not true harmonic nor would I want them to be.

Aye

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Andrew Bull <a_m_bull at 9jcrtNg_42ouUmArnxLr_u8gl7WLiGkBRN7qvav1FtSWLW1rRhnlvsdC6VuJuxEXivVd60V-WkPYXy7p6g.yahoo.invalid <mailto:a_m_bull at 9jcrtNg_42ouUmArnxLr_u8gl7WLiGkBRN7qvav1FtSWLW1rRhnlvsdC6VuJuxEXivVd60V-WkPYXy7p6g.yahoo.invalid> > wrote:

Ah, that would be Geoff Stickland then!!!! I only looked up the tuning figures because Ruth (Stickland) kept going on about how much weight the bells had lost in tuning - did she really ask for a refund for the "lost" metal? She seemed satisfied when I explained to her what had been done.

I never rang at Quedgeley before the retuning, but have rung on them very regularly since moving to Dursley in 1994 (my wife and I have known the Sticklands for many years, and they are godparents to our younger son). I think the bells are quite pleasant tonally, and a good example of how old bells can be retuned to near true-harmonic standards without losing their "character".

I have the figures "as received" in 1993, and they were definitely old-style. I would be very interested to know how the bellfoundries decide how to approach retuning of old bells. For example, Berkeley in Gloucestershire were retuned by Taylors in 1978, but all that was done was to adjust the nominals slightly - the partials were not altered. Certainly these bells could have done with some Quedgeley-style treatment (and perhaps the four trebles recasting!). What criteria govern how much tuning can be done?

Andrew Bull

Andrew Higson <andrew.higson at mnf-zI__47Cnshil9htmXYRlHLq6N3VDHZJF0jwoZefr226N9iEKhgdbzxr6Nma2eaxgD9Hdd7RozjqULye-99yp33OFMA.yahoo.invalid <mailto:andrew.higson at taylorbells.co.uk> > wrote:

	The latter.

	Andrew Higson

	Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd

	The Bellfoundry

	Freehold Street

	Loughborough

	LE11 1AR

	Telephone: 01509 212241 Fax: 01509 263305 Registered in England No. 1352309

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	From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at MOOoxGutzEQYtFv-C0vvPNbs198iCBFLkpPaACn9XRzBTt1z05Pg4BkZhLfN-U52Tp3p7v892O0I7Uqu-Dkou5gQ8Nw.yahoo.invalidm>  [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Andrew Bull
	Sent: 24 November 2008 10:52
	To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> 
	Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

	Was this the retuning at Ludlow, or the retuning at Quedgeley?

	Andrew Bull

	Andrew Higson <andrew.higson at mnf-zI__47Cnshil9htmXYRlHLq6N3VDHZJF0jwoZefr226N9iEKhgdbzxr6Nma2eaxgD9Hdd7RozjqULye-99yp33OFMA.yahoo.invalid <mailto:andrew.higson at taylorbells.co.uk> > wrote:

		They weren't overly sharp before I started. The incumbent was very grumpy about what I had done until the organist observed how pleasant and musical the bells were after the retune.

		Andrew Higson

		Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd

		The Bellfoundry

		Freehold Street

		Loughborough

		LE11 1AR

		Telephone: 01509 212241 Fax: 01509 263305 Registered in England No. 1352309

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		From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at i5tkU16ckMdM8vMEQ3uWZ30ZAnx7K0TUO3k95vLsjJsnuwKbqPsX4ivvI61vTOaAG2_1Pp0ExGB1WgF7i-_v3EomwtdIYw.yahoo.invalidom>  [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Richard Offen
		Sent: 23 November 2008 21:40
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		Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

		Did they really manage to get octave hum notes out of the Rudhall bells at Quedgley?

		R

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		From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at i5tkU16ckMdM8vMEQ3uWZ30ZAnx7K0TUO3k95vLsjJsnuwKbqPsX4ivvI61vTOaAG2_1Pp0ExGB1WgF7i-_v3EomwtdIYw.yahoo.invalidom>  [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Andrew Bull
		Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 12:55 AM
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		Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

		I imagine that the present 5th and treble will have to be recast, as they would need to be sharpened by a semitone to make 9th and 4th of ten with the present 7th as tenor. Presumably the others would be retuned as well, though I believe they were in fact retuned in 1988 (as well as 1890). It would be interesting to know who is doing the job, and whether the new bells will be old-style or true-harmonic. Quedgeley, in Gloucester, also largely Rudhall 1732, were retuned in 1993 and converted into a true-harmonic ring, which the exception of the 1850 Taylor sixth, which obviously caused the tuned some problems.

		Andrew Bull

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		From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at i5tkU16ckMdM8vMEQ3uWZ30ZAnx7K0TUO3k95vLsjJsnuwKbqPsX4ivvI61vTOaAG2_1Pp0ExGB1WgF7i-_v3EomwtdIYw.yahoo.invalidom>  [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Richard Offen
		Sent: 23 November 2008 15:42
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		Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

		I hope they are going to be tuned, the present 6th is horribly flat (almost a ¼ semitone)!

		R

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		From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at i5tkU16ckMdM8vMEQ3uWZ30ZAnx7K0TUO3k95vLsjJsnuwKbqPsX4ivvI61vTOaAG2_1Pp0ExGB1WgF7i-_v3EomwtdIYw.yahoo.invalidom>  [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Andrew Watkins
		Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2008 11:46 PM
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		Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

		Ludlow are going to be made into a 10, with the present 7th as the tenor. The bells are coming out on the 3rd December. Sorry I can't tell you much more at present.

		Andrew Watkins

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			From: "Richard Offen" 
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			Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

			I guess they are either going up to ten or twelve, as has been planned for
			the last five years or so - they have two of the Gillett bells from the old
			ring at Kidderminster in store.

			R

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			On Behalf Of David Bryaant
			Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2008 9:41 PM
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			Subject: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

			What's happening at Ludlow, then?

			http://www.campanophile.co.uk/show.aspx?Code=74540 <http://www.campanophile.co.uk/show.aspx?Code=74540> 
			<http://www.campanophile.co.uk/show.aspx?Code=74540 <http://www.campanophile.co.uk/show.aspx?Code=74540> > 

			Is the augmentation to 12+2# proposed a few years ago now going ahead?

			David

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