[Bell Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage

Mark Regan markregan at w28jYlK3eRYpJ0m8cAE3LoeJoKWQk-_wh42YQEe4b5Ju8q29GTB1ON4mI9cz9YFpt70IdMW8y7KMsi_SWZpJWQ.yahoo.invalid
Thu Oct 8 15:35:55 BST 2009

Chris is right.


Ecclesiastical Exemption is a balanced system which relies on the expertise
and commitment of lots of volunteers. The CCCBR allegedly have some traction
with EH. If EH believe that the CCCBR truly represent the views of ringers
(including subject experts and the trade) then the Exemption will be
undermined and ringers will be misrepresented.  


I enjoy a robust and friendly relationship with EH, and I wouldn't rely on
the CCCBR for anything to do to support the Church's planning process, the
CBC, EH or anyone else.




Mark Regan

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-----Original Message-----
From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Pickford
Sent: 08 October 2009 15:15
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage



Quick reply from the horse's mouth


The whole issue of Ecclesiastical Exemption is one of ongoing sensitivity -
I wasn't referring to anything specific. 


As to undermining, any action that concedes ground to EH or other bodies
(e.g. local authorities) by allowing them to have greater influence or power
than their legal standing (or accustomed practice) allows is, surely,
undermining Exemption


The system, of course, has its strong supporters and opponents both within
and outside the Church (yes - the CofE). I didn't intend to open that can of
worms. My offering was simply aiming to state that while Exemption is
retained (and as long as the Church still wishes it to be retained) then
care is needed. Certainly bodies like the CCCBR should not be wittingly or
unwittingly compromising the chances or retaining Exemption which, so far,
the Church has fought hard to retain




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From: Chris Frye <mailto:Chris at tGmfrP8pIWRojlLFLA54_8kHAuVapWMQSnxPr5cxERMjR09cq8EDRuA4WYdbLBA2F1hhaw2RjkWo.yahoo.invalid>  

To: bellhistorians@ <mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:04 PM

Subject: [Bell Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage



On p995 of the 2nd October RW there is an excellent letter from Chris
Pickford covering a number of points. However there was one point that I did
not fully understand, probably due to my own lack of knowledge. It was the
part that said: "In terms of conservation,...the CCCBR and T&BC members
currently representing the exercise do not fully understand the delicacy of
the situation regarding ecclesiastical exemption - and are actually
undermining the position on this taken by the Church."  ("Church" = Church
of England I assume.)

I have some ideas what this may be about, but I would like to know for sure.
Can anyone explain what is the delicacy of the position and in what ways it
has been undermined?

If it's too long to explain then a reference to a press article or similar
would be perfectly good. 

Chris Frye

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