[Bell Historians] Re: Telegraph letter

[Charles Lucy]

Yes.

The peal should be tuned as John Harrison described using the meantone- 
type tuning derived from pi, which he advocated.

Harrison also wrote about the methods of manufacturing bells, and  
provided his radical numbers figures, which are yet to be understood.

see:

http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html

Any further insights would be appreciated;-)


and this page for the frequencies, intervals and tuning details:

http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/pitch_02.html


On 13 Oct 2009, at 20:57, matthewhigby at OJ-JdwmgU4Ha9UCMGOLe39gnNsLpA4gjyBHtDyivC1iak0scmYC8E_mWuqminIvPeZYEfZlTKOoAFrgE.yahoo.invalid wrote:

>
> Could Mr Lucy explain to this list, exactly how a bell/peal of bells  
> should be tuned? As far as I can tell, he appears to have very  
> different ideas to most of us!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Matthew Higby
> www.bell-hangers.com
> Indeed the instruments should be in tune. But what is "in tune"????
>
> It seems that some individuals on this list took exception to our  
> bidding to take over Taylors and intervened with the administrators  
> who failed to provide us with the bid information despite my having  
> signed a confidentiality agreement, to which I conformed.
>
> It looks to me as though your spoilers may well have shot themselves  
> in their feet.
>
> It seems to me that the way in which the bell business/industry was  
> run and maintained requires entirely new business, engineering and  
> tuning models:
>
> a) The business model to provide capital investment, even out the  
> cash flows and overcome the "feast and famine" patterns.
> The new model also needs to force the presently destructively  
> competing vested interests to coincide.
>
> b) The engineering "improvements" to need make productive use of  
> "21st century" engineering, technological, techniques and solutions.
>
> c) The tuning model has to acknowledge that bells are "out of tune"  
> individually, and particularly in their tuning relationship to other  
> members of their "often celebrated" peals.
>
> Whoever eventually acquire the Taylor assets will need to seriously  
> rethink the whole bells industry, if the "heritage" is to continue  
> for future generations to enjoy.
>
> I shall continue to take opportunities to influence the tuning of  
> bells, yet it may be by less obvious and public means. Time will tell.
>
> In the meantime, we shall continue to change the rest of the world's  
> musical tuning by working with musicians, and other parts of the  
> music industry.
>
> I am confident that eventually those tuning the bells (at least  
> those that remain) will understand and use our findings.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Lucy <lucy at gRNsfHz8Y5FrvS9fWhKnV1K7e_TotQNXUKduT-nN1Yjtx7DELbBS2NST2dyGexxaa07F-v7IcPvi2bEYFA.yahoo.invalid>
> To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Re: Telegraph letter
>
>
> Indeed the instruments should be in tune. But what is "in tune"????
>
> It seems that some individuals on this list took exception to our  
> bidding to take over Taylors and intervened with the administrators  
> who failed to provide us with the bid information despite my having  
> signed a confidentiality agreement, to which I conformed.
>
> It looks to me as though your spoilers may well have shot themselves  
> in their feet.
>
> It seems to me that the way in which the bell business/industry was  
> run and maintained requires entirely new business, engineering and  
> tuning models:
>
> a) The business model to provide capital investment, even out the  
> cash flows and overcome the "feast and famine" patterns.
> The new model also needs to force the presently destructively  
> competing vested interests to coincide.
>
> b) The engineering "improvements" to need make productive use of  
> "21st century" engineering, technological, techniques and solutions.
>
> c) The tuning model has to acknowledge that bells are "out of tune"  
> individually, and particularly in their tuning relationship to other  
> members of their "often celebrated" peals.
>
> Whoever eventually acquire the Taylor assets will need to seriously  
> rethink the whole bells industry, if the "heritage" is to continue  
> for future generations to enjoy.
>
> I shall continue to take opportunities to influence the tuning of  
> bells, yet it may be by less obvious and public means. Time will tell.
>
> In the meantime, we shall continue to change the rest of the world's  
> musical tuning by working with musicians, and other parts of the  
> music industry.
>
> I am confident that eventually those tuning the bells (at least  
> those that remain) will understand and use our findings.
>
>
>
> On 13 Oct 2009, at 19:55, nigelsdtaylor wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed! I am only too aware of the increasing difficulty in  
>> obtaining permission to replace bells, frames, and to tune old  
>> bells. Parishes aspirations are generally listened to by the  
>> conservationist bodies, but often ignored. Sometimes, there is no  
>> semblance of a compromise, and the ringers are left with what they  
>> consider as an unsatisfactory installation.
>> The code of practice states that a ring of bells is a musical  
>> instrument and should sound in tune. However, there have been many  
>> occasions during the last few years when this statement has been  
>> completely ignored.
>> Faculties can take months, and sometimes years to obtain; this  
>> leads invarably to greater expense for a parish, and difficulties  
>> for those of us in the trade to operate with any real degree of  
>> efficiency. We are businesses, that like any other business must  
>> try to trade profitably, and this has become increasingly difficult  
>> to achieve.
>>
>> Nigel Taylor
>>
>
> Charles Lucy
> lucy at l ucytune.com
>
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>
>
>
> 

Charles Lucy
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