[Bell Historians] Fw: Bell Identification, Dalton le Dale, St.Andrew

Wed Nov 8 18:36:00 GMT 2017

As for the other initials, they could well belong to the churchwardens. 
If the churchwardens' account books don't survive for this period, try 
seeing if the parish registers have been signed, or otherwise bear the 
scribe's or clerk's name. Also research the families of people appearing 
in the registers with the same initials - it could be that local 
worthies paid for the bells.

I suppose it's unlikely, but could the M of MC and the W of CW be the 
same character, one of them accidentally cast upside down, and one of 
the pairs of initials similarly reversed? More likely though that one of 
the wardens was replaced.

Lawrence Greenall, Waltham Abbey Historical Society.

On 08/11/2017 16:15, 'Peter Rivet' peter at plrivet.plus.com 
[bellhistorians] wrote:
>
> I’ve had a quick look at Dennis Greenwood’s booklet on _Post 
> Reformation Bellfounders of York_ (1994), which contains a lot of 
> useful relevant information.
>
> William Seller, the first of the Seller family of founders, is 
> reckoned to have worked c. 1635-1687.  They generally seem to have 
> spelt the name Seller rather than Sellars.  It’s just possible that 
> this is by him.  His early bells are generally found in Lincolnshire, 
> which suggests that during the mid seventeenth century he was working 
> there rather than York.  However there’s no reason why a bell from 
> there shouldn’t have found its way to County Durham, especially if it 
> came by sea.
>
> Dennis Greenwood comments that a noticeable feature of the work of the 
> 17^th /18^th century York founders – the Smiths, the Sellers and the 
> Daltons – is that they arranged their moulding wires (raised 
> semicircular bands around the bell) in groups of three.  This may be a 
> useful clue.
>
> Peter Rivet
>
> Lancaster
>
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> *[Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Carl S Zimmerman included below]*
>
> The attached inquiry is far outside my range of expertise.  I hope 
> that a few of you might feel qualified to reply to the inquirer.
>
> Carl Scott Zimmerman
> Saint Louis, Missouri, USA -
>  - 19th c. home of at least 36 bell founders or resellers
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> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* JEAN HAMILTON <jeanhamilton at btinternet.com 
> <mailto:jeanhamilton at btinternet.com>>
> *To:* csz_stl at swbell.net <mailto:csz_stl at swbell.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:50 AM
> *Subject:* Bell Identification
>
> Hello
>
> I am a member of Dalton le Dale History Society 
> (dalton-le-dalehistorysociety.org ) Within our village we are lucky to 
> have a 12th Century church St. Andrews.
>
> Recent work on the roof allowed access to the bell cote and 
> photographs to be taken of the bells. We are subsequently interested 
> in researching their history and would be grateful for any assistance 
> you can provide.
>
> The first reference to bells in St. Andrews church was in the 
> inventory ordered by the Bishop in 1553: this included two bells in 
> the steeple, one hand bell and one sacring bell. The next reference 
> can be seen within a plaque on the south wall of the nave with the 
> date 1631 and four sets of initials. Some of this information is 
> repeated on the tenor bell. The raised letters are MC, ED, WS, and IT, 
> together with the date 1631.The initials on the plaque are CW, ED, WS 
> and IT. There is therefore and anomaly between MC and CW. We suspect 
> the initials WS may relate to William Sellars of York who made bells 
> around 17th century. The initials MC could relate to the vicar of the 
> church between 1621 and 1662 i.e. Matthew Cooper. The national bell 
> register identifies the second bell as 14th century but does not bear 
> any identifying features.
>
> I have attached photographs.
>
> Many thanks for taking the time to read this.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Hamilton
>
> 

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