[Bell Historians] Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

wayne francis awf24k at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 26 16:26:26 BST 2021

The clock is a bit Thwaites style, but some differences. The photo doesn't give enough view of the clock to fully see the pillars etc. Is it a three train? Or was? There seems to be an empty section to the right of photo.

The chiming machine in St Paul's Bedford has very small pins to the selection of barrels. The levers are counterbalanced and don't need much to operate them. I have a photo of Bedfordshire somewhere.


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Subject: RE: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

Interesting that it’s a Paine pendulum and dated 1833 (with 1832 bell)

I’d say that the barrels (I’ve seen others of the sort belonging to church barrel organs) looks as though it belongs to an organ rather than a chiming system. These sort of pins wouldn’t have lifted chiming hammers.

Chris Pickford

Kinver (UK)

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Subject: Re: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

Pendulum is by Paine of London 1833. Clock he does not say who it is by. Wayne Francis speculates that the chime barrel might be by Ayres.



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Subject: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

No reaction to this by the look of it. Would be interested to see Paul’s photos and posting.

Definitely not Gillett & Johnston or Taylor, and the church itself is later than the bell – built in 1873-4, but there is also an older chapel of c.1815 in London Road which became a school after the 1870s church was opened. Perhaps the 1832 bell came from there, but it has no turret (and doesn’t look like the sort of building that would have had one). I’ve looked at a couple of 1874 press reports of the opening with descriptions of the building, but no mention of clock or chimes (one did refer to “when the tower and spire are completed” so it might be slightly later).

Did Paul say anything about the clock in the tower?

Chris Pickford

Kinver (UK)

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Subject: [Bell Historians] Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

Paul Cubbitt posted some photos of the belfry here on Facebook yesterday. There is a chiming barrel (literally the barrel) in the tower and one bell of 1832. There are clear signs that there were once several more bells in the tower.  I do not have any details of them for my list. Can anyone supply details of this former chime?

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