[Bell Historians] Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

[c.j.pickford at talk21.com]

Agree with Wayne re the clock. Most Paine clocks are cast iron four-posters,
but the full frame isn't shown in Paul's photo. There are similarities with
other Paine clocks (I checked photos of three others), but differences too

 

The Bedford chiming machine (my home tower for 20 years) is a Gillett
machine of the Imhof type, with (as Wayne says) slender pins - because they
only needed to release the hammer (and not lift it). I really needed a photo
for a talk next month (okay to use it, Wayne?) so thanks for uploading the
picture. But the pins are quite different from those on the Dereham barrel,
surely.

 

Agree that the linkages in Mike's latest photo do look as they are for a
chime of some sort - and the arrangement (seven in a row?) suggests a set
hung close together in a line. That would most likely mean hemispherical
bells or tubes. Nothing for Dereham in the lists of hemispherical
installations in the Mears or Warner catalogues I've checked - but that
doesn't mean that one of those firms didn't supply something as the lists
aren't complete

 

Chris Pickford

Kinver (UK)

 

 

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Subject: Re: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

 

The clock is a bit Thwaites style, but some differences. The photo doesn't
give enough view of the clock to fully see the pillars etc. Is it a three
train? Or was? There seems to be an empty section to the right of photo.

 

The chiming machine in St Paul's Bedford has very small pins to the
selection of barrels. The levers are counterbalanced and don't need much to
operate them. I have a photo of Bedfordshire somewhere.

 

Wayne

 

 

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Interesting that it's a Paine pendulum and dated 1833 (with 1832 bell) 

 

I'd say that the barrels (I've seen others of the sort belonging to church
barrel organs) looks as though it belongs to an organ rather than a chiming
system. These sort of pins wouldn't have lifted chiming hammers. 

 

Chris Pickford

Kinver (UK)

 

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Pendulum is by Paine of London 1833. Clock he does not say who it is by.
Wayne Francis speculates that the chime barrel might be by Ayres.

 

Mike

 

 

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No reaction to this by the look of it. Would be interested to see Paul's
photos and posting.

 

Definitely not Gillett & Johnston or Taylor, and the church itself is later
than the bell - built in 1873-4, but there is also an older chapel of c.1815
in London Road which became a school after the 1870s church was opened.
Perhaps the 1832 bell came from there, but it has no turret (and doesn't
look like the sort of building that would have had one). I've looked at a
couple of 1874 press reports of the opening with descriptions of the
building, but no mention of clock or chimes (one did refer to "when the
tower and spire are completed" so it might be slightly later). 

 

Did Paul say anything about the clock in the tower?

 

Chris Pickford

Kinver (UK)

 

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Subject: [Bell Historians] Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham

 

Paul Cubbitt posted some photos of the belfry here on Facebook yesterday.
There is a chiming barrel (literally the barrel) in the tower and one bell
of 1832. There are clear signs that there were once several more bells in
the tower.  I do not have any details of them for my list. Can anyone supply
details of this former chime?

 

Mike

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