[Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York

[George Dawson]

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The tenor was recast by Meneeley & Co in 1848 & is 53" in diameter, no weig=
ht. The rest of the bells are as below. The chime bells are an extra treble=
(1 of 9!) by Meneeley 1909, and a flat second of 8 by C & G Mears 1849.

GAD
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From: Chris Pickford=20
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Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


The bells were listed in earlier editions of "Dove" as a 25 cwt 8, unring=
able. I submitted the tenor weight as the bell referred to in the Whitecha=
pel records is almost certainly - without actually seeing it of having deta=
ils from a reputable source I can't say any more definitely than that - the=
original bell of 1797 of 24-3-25.

The Whitechapel records actually provide the following details:

Peals book, 1797 - 1 32=BC" 7-0-3, 2 33=BD" 7-0-15, 3 35=BC" 8-2-26, 4 38=
" 9-3-8, 5 41" 12-1-18, 6 43" 13-2-21, 7 47=BC" 18-1-2, 8 53" 24-3-25 and n=
ote "recast 1, 2, 4 and 7, Sept 1845"



Daybook 20 Sept. 1845 - Trinity Church, New York. Recast bells 7-1-4, 6-3=
-9, 9-1-6, 18-0-10 =A3271.3.10, clappers =A34, stocks wheels etc =A332, cas=
es & packing & shipping charges =A35.18.6, total =A3313.2.4



The only other information I have comes from an account (and photograph) =
of a visit to the tower by various English ringers in 1991 (RW 1991 p.1210)=
. This states that there are eight bells hung in a wooden frame with ringin=
g headstocks, bearings and clappers (but minus the wheels) and two more bel=
ls hung for chiming.=20=20



Sounds to me like an "unringable eight" according to the usual definition=
s (i.e. bells still hung on derelict ringing fittings) rather than a chime,=
plus - of course - two extras.



Chris P



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From: JohnBaldwin=20
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Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


I have now searched my records and find that it was Chris Pickford who
supplied that tenor weight of 24-3-25 in D in a (snail-mail) letter to =
me
dated 29 June 1999, along with a number of other suggested alterations =
which
had previously been submitted to Ron Dove in November 1993. There is a=
"not
necessarily precise" (according to Chris) comment alongside this entry,
saying : "Weight of 1797".

Perhaps Chris can shed further light on the background of his findings,=
or
else someone (? Michael) could ask Andrew Wilby about the letter receiv=
ed
from Owen Burdwick, referred to in the said RW article on p970 of 2001.

It looks from that article, now, that I should remove the entry from Do=
ve!

John Baldwin
(029) 2055 4457


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> 'Dove' lists an eight 24-3-25 in D. I remember after 9/11 an article
> in RW saying there were ten bells in the tower tenor 32cwt. Can
> anyone explain the differences?
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