Cyril

Thu Oct 28 18:51:42 BST 2004

Hi
I'd just like to record how I, too, benefitted from Cyril's kind and tireless enthusiasm for ringing research. Although I never met him, our correspondance was very productive and I had the impression of a most meticulous historian who would go out of his way to help with any request to share information and assist a novice historian like myself.
My condolences to his family.

Karl Grave

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Message date : Oct 28 2004, 04:05 PM
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Subject : [Bell Historians] Digest Number 899

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: G & J
From: David Bryant 
2. Re: Cyril Wratten
From: "CHRIS PICKFORD" 
3. Grumpy Me
From: "Hoppy (s)" 
4. Re: Cyril Wratten
From: "Richard Offen" 
5. Re: Re: G & J
From: "David Cawley" 
6. Re: Cyril Wratten
From: "John Walton" 

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Message: 1 
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:45:25 +0200 (CEST)
From: David Bryant 
Subject: Re: Re: G & J

> The Ringing World advert said "by invitation", so I assume lots of 
> ringers, as I did, thought it was just that and didn't go!

I had an emailed invite with a request to pass it on to list members. It came direct from the company, and as I recall was an open invitiation. I did forward it to the list.

David

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Message: 2 
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:01:03 -0700
From: "CHRIS PICKFORD" 
Subject: Re: Cyril Wratten

Very sorry to learn of Cyril's death. He was a first rate ringing historian, and had the Central Council not consumed so much of his energy for many years - their gain, but undoubtedly our loss! - he would doubtless have written a great deal more. I owed him a great deal, as it was he who encouraged me to delve into eighteenth and nineteenth century newspapers for ringing reports in my student days and sparked my interest in research. He was also unfailingly generous in sharing his information and answering enquiries.

It is so sad that illness prevented him from completing the many projects he began, and that he and Margery had such a brief opportunity to enjoy his retirement. A fine ringer, a good man, an authority on ringing history and a dedicated servant of the exercise - his memory will live on.

CP

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Message: 3 
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:29:17 +0100
From: "Hoppy (s)" 
Subject: Grumpy Me

Hi Peeps

Sorry to be a grump but can we please be a tad more careful when quoting
other peoples's messages? It's not a bandwidth problem (with me
anyway) but it is sometimes so difficult and time consuming to sort
out the actual, often short message from the massive quotes! Today's
digest is a prime example. :-)

While I am here, I haven't forgotten about the Bootle inscriptions.
Re pigeon poo the PCC has agreed that it is THEIR problem and not that
of the ringers and have have tendered and accepted a quote. Can't
tell you the price but it is vast. Does, though, include a physical
and biological clean up and possible culling. Anyone else have any
experience of this?

Sorry about the 2 off topic bits. :-(

John

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Message: 4 
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:35:28 -0000
From: "Richard Offen" 
Subject: Re: Cyril Wratten

--- In bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com, "CHRIS PICKFORD" 
wrote:
> Very sorry to learn of Cyril's death. He was a first rate ringing 
historian, and had the Central Council not consumed so much of his 
energy for many years - their gain, but undoubtedly our loss! - he 
would doubtless have written a great deal more. I owed him a great 
deal, as it was he who encouraged me to delve into eighteenth and 
nineteenth century newspapers for ringing reports in my student days 
and sparked my interest in research. He was also unfailingly generous 
in sharing his information and answering enquiries.
> 
> It is so sad that illness prevented him from completing the many 
projects he began, and that he and Margery had such a brief 
opportunity to enjoy his retirement. A fine ringer, a good man, an 
authority on ringing history and a dedicated servant of the exercise -
his memory will live on.
> 
> CP

I would like to echo Chris's sentiments at the sad loss of Cyril. 
He was indeed a fine ringing, noded ringing historian and, above all, 
a lovely man. I still have much of the correspondence we exchange 
in the late seventies and early eighties on early ringing in Kent and 
treasure the memory of long and fascinating conversations with him, 
both in person and over the phone.

Our thoughts go out to Margery and the rest of his family at this 
time.

Richard

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Message: 5 
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:51:02 +0100
From: "David Cawley" 
Subject: Re: Re: G & J

Yes, David, and thank you for doing so; following the instruction on the emailed advertisement I contacted G&J who said yes, come along - the purpose of contact was simply to get numbers for the reception.
The RW advert to which Richard refers (RW 17.9.2004) p.914 clearly also states, "If interested, please contact Rachel on 020 8686 2694 or email jenny at g... "
It may not have been one of Cyril Johnston's great Croydon ringers' rallies, but it was a remarkable and worthwhile occasion.

DLC
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From: David Bryant 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Re: G & J

> The Ringing World advert said "by invitation", so I assume lots of 
> ringers, as I did, thought it was just that and didn't go!

I had an emailed invite with a request to pass it on to list members. It came direct from the company, and as I recall was an open invitiation. I did forward it to the list.

David

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Message: 6 
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:13:10 -0000
From: "John Walton" 
Subject: Re: Cyril Wratten

--- In bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com, "CHRIS PICKFORD" 
wrote:
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> It is so sad that illness prevented him from completing the many 
projects he began... - his memory will live on.
> 
> CP

I'm not a regular contributor to this list, nor do I really consider 
myself a 'proper' bell historian, although I find much of the 
discussion fascinating. However, reading these tributes to Cyril, a 
thought occurs to me: Would it be possible, and appropriate, to 
complete the research in one of his fields of interest in his name?

John

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