[Bell Historians] Ludlow

Mon Nov 24 11:18:10 GMT 2008

Ah, that would be Geoff Stickland then!!!! I only looked up the tuning figures because Ruth (Stickland) kept going on about how much weight the bells had lost in tuning - did she really ask for a refund for the "lost" metal? She seemed satisfied when I explained to her what had been done.

  I never rang at Quedgeley before the retuning, but have rung on them very regularly since moving to Dursley in 1994 (my wife and I have known the Sticklands for many years, and they are godparents to our younger son). I think the bells are quite pleasant tonally, and a good example of how old bells can be retuned to near true-harmonic standards without losing their "character".

  I have the figures "as received" in 1993, and they were definitely old-style. I would be very interested to know how the bellfoundries decide how to approach retuning of old bells. For example, Berkeley in Gloucestershire were retuned by Taylors in 1978, but all that was done was to adjust the nominals slightly - the partials were not altered. Certainly these bells could have done with some Quedgeley-style treatment (and perhaps the four trebles recasting!). What criteria govern how much tuning can be done?

  Andrew Bull

Andrew Higson <andrew.higson at mMDWwopiQoh4fyBR-msBNAcNrbPCGtdCZQ0_5mmN3Ksw-439PZmraicABG8US898zpQag-xZuy9QQe_W0TW99ks3RGuOuWj2JTs.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
              The latter.

    Andrew Higson
  Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd
  The Bellfoundry
  Freehold Street
  Loughborough
  LE11 1AR
  Telephone: 01509 212241 Fax: 01509 263305 Registered in England No. 1352309

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  From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Bull
Sent: 24 November 2008 10:52
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

          Was this the retuning at Ludlow, or the retuning at Quedgeley?

    Andrew Bull

Andrew Higson <andrew.higson at mMDWwopiQoh4fyBR-msBNAcNrbPCGtdCZQ0_5mmN3Ksw-439PZmraicABG8US898zpQag-xZuy9QQe_W0TW99ks3RGuOuWj2JTs.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

            They werent overly sharp before I started. The incumbent was very grumpy about what I had done until the organist observed how pleasant and musical the bells were after the retune.

      Andrew Higson

    Taylors Eayre and Smith Ltd

    The Bellfoundry

    Freehold Street

    Loughborough

    LE11 1AR

    Telephone: 01509 212241 Fax: 01509 263305 Registered in England No. 1352309

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    From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Offen
Sent: 23 November 2008 21:40
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

            Did they really manage to get octave hum notes out of the Rudhall bells at Quedgley?

    R

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    From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Bull
Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 12:55 AM
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

            I imagine that the present 5th and treble will have to be recast, as they would need to be sharpened by a semitone to make 9th and 4th of ten with the present 7th as tenor. Presumably the others would be retuned as well, though I believe they were in fact retuned in 1988 (as well as 1890). It would be interesting to know who is doing the job, and whether the new bells will be old-style or true-harmonic. Quedgeley, in Gloucester, also largely Rudhall 1732, were retuned in 1993 and converted into a true-harmonic ring, which the exception of the 1850 Taylor sixth, which obviously caused the tuned some problems.

    Andrew Bull

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    From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Offen
Sent: 23 November 2008 15:42
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

            I hope they are going to be tuned, the present 6th is horribly flat (almost a ¼ semitone)!

    R

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    From: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Watkins
Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2008 11:46 PM
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

Ludlow are going to be made into a 10, with the present 7th as the tenor. The bells are coming out on the 3rd December. Sorry I can't tell you much more at present.

Andrew Watkins

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Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

    I guess they are either going up to ten or twelve, as has been planned for
the last five years or so - they have two of the Gillett bells from the old
ring at Kidderminster in store.

R

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On Behalf Of David Bryaant
Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2008 9:41 PM
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Subject: [Bell Historians] Ludlow

What's happening at Ludlow, then?

http://www.campanophile.co.uk/show.aspx?Code=74540
<http://www.campanophile.co.uk/show.aspx?Code=74540> 

Is the augmentation to 12+2# proposed a few years ago now going ahead?

David

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