[Bell Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage

[John H Allen]

Chris,

 

Very interesting if the Chancellor granted the Faculty on the basis that the
old frame was to be on permanent display in the churchyard! I would assume
that no Faculty was obtained for its removal.

 

My view is that the Church is scared that  the Ecclesiastical Exemption may
be withdrawn - it has been threatened many times - that they will not take a
tough line with EH and others. This all goes back to the decision of the
General Synod to grab money offered as State Aid for Churches in the late
1970s. Many of us at the time were concerned about the small print and
events have proved that our fears were justified.

 

John

 

 

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On Behalf Of Chris Pickford
Sent: Thursday 08 October 2009 21:59
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The Walsgrave frame is no longer there - apparently it became a "den" in
which youths smoked illegal substances, and the police requested it's
removal. It wouldn't have lasted long there anyway

 

It deserved better. It was quite an worthwhile frame - totally unsuitable
for re-use, but interesting enough to merit preservation ex situ (subject to
practicalities). It is illustrated in Bellframes and also in my RW article
on Walsgrave (RW 1985 p.1078)

 

CP

 

 

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I wonder what SPAB would say about the old frame in the churchyard at
Walsgrave Coventry?

John



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--- In bellhistorians@ <mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Mark Regan" <markregan at ...> wrote:
>... I wouldn't rely on the CCCBR for anything to do to support the Church's
planning process, the CBC, EH or anyone else.

Another player in the game is SPAB (Society for Protection of Ancient
Buildings); a most useful organisation if you have an old house, but
unfortunately they also pronounce on old bell frames, the latest being
Horton, Gloucs.

I have had correspondence with their secretary, Matthew Slocombe, and it
seems to me that there is a very large gap between conservationists, who
want to preserve things and think ringers are a bunch of noisy barbarians,
and ringers, who want something that is safely full-circle ringable,
preferably enjoyably.

Another matter concerns the retention of old bell frames. WRT Horton SPAB
was not happy about the idea to display the old frame in a nearby barn,
security and context being the main issues. They seem immovable on the
matter, despite the fact that a display in a barn is much more accessible,
particularly for the disabled, safer, and easier to see and appreciate.
Properly displayed, with perhaps a model bell and good labelling, people
could actually learn something about bells and bell-hanging. 

Anne

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