[Bell Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage

[Richard Offen]

I well remember the fun and games we had with EH and the State Aid for
Churches in the late 1970s when I was on the Canterbury DAC.   

 

EH were making parishes agree to totally unreasonable requirements before
they would consider a grant and then making them wait up to two years
(during which time no work was allowed to commence) before giving an answer
on whether a grant would be available or not.

 

The straw that broke the camel's back, as far as our DAC was concerned, was
when a church's north aisle was on the verge collapsed because of the
ingress of water through a leaking roof.   The leak was allowed to continue
for two years (temporary patched didn't work) whilst EH deliberated whether
to make a grant or not.   As a result of this case we, the DAC, demanded a
meeting with the Chairman of EH and went along mob-handed to forcefully put
out case of dissatisfaction.   It worked, some of the demands on parishes
went away and grant applications were turned round in a much quicker time.

 

Richard

 

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Chris,

 

Very interesting if the Chancellor granted the Faculty on the basis that the
old frame was to be on permanent display in the churchyard! I would assume
that no Faculty was obtained for its removal.

 

My view is that the Church is scared that  the Ecclesiastical Exemption may
be withdrawn - it has been threatened many times - that they will not take a
tough line with EH and others. This all goes back to the decision of the
General Synod to grab money offered as State Aid for Churches in the late
1970s. Many of us at the time were concerned about the small print and
events have proved that our fears were justified.

 

John

 

 

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On Behalf Of Chris Pickford
Sent: Thursday 08 October 2009 21:59
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The Walsgrave frame is no longer there - apparently it became a "den" in
which youths smoked illegal substances, and the police requested it's
removal. It wouldn't have lasted long there anyway

 

It deserved better. It was quite an worthwhile frame - totally unsuitable
for re-use, but interesting enough to merit preservation ex situ (subject to
practicalities). It is illustrated in Bellframes and also in my RW article
on Walsgrave (RW 1985 p.1078)

 

CP

 

 

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I wonder what SPAB would say about the old frame in the churchyard at
Walsgrave Coventry?

John



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--- In bellhistorians@ <mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Mark Regan" <markregan at ...> wrote:
>... I wouldn't rely on the CCCBR for anything to do to support the Church's
planning process, the CBC, EH or anyone else.

Another player in the game is SPAB (Society for Protection of Ancient
Buildings); a most useful organisation if you have an old house, but
unfortunately they also pronounce on old bell frames, the latest being
Horton, Gloucs.

I have had correspondence with their secretary, Matthew Slocombe, and it
seems to me that there is a very large gap between conservationists, who
want to preserve things and think ringers are a bunch of noisy barbarians,
and ringers, who want something that is safely full-circle ringable,
preferably enjoyably.

Another matter concerns the retention of old bell frames. WRT Horton SPAB
was not happy about the idea to display the old frame in a nearby barn,
security and context being the main issues. They seem immovable on the
matter, despite the fact that a display in a barn is much more accessible,
particularly for the disabled, safer, and easier to see and appreciate.
Properly displayed, with perhaps a model bell and good labelling, people
could actually learn something about bells and bell-hanging. 

Anne

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